So, I know of how much hate is going around since episode 10 aired and I figured I might as well start off with some art for a bit of motivation, at least enough for you dear Readers to read this post! So here we go and after the jump, there will be some more to again, give you enough enthusiasm to read on through my rumblings. I mean at the very least you can take this art away with you, just because the show isn’t yuri (according to the others) doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy the yuritastic art. Just think of it as an AU where Reina and Kumiko are together. After all, just looking at the art, all we see is yuri and nothing else!
Anyway, I was still shocked by how much people were affected by this episode! If my memory serves me correctly everyone was talking about ‘the confession’ a week before the episode even aired meaning they knew it would happen so why all this negative impact? I swear I visited /u/ and the Hibike! thread was so far at the end of the list I thought it had gotten deleted and banned to be posted! If it had been I would have questioned 4chan’s intellect I mean this is a board where they post about series that have nowhere the amount of yuri-scenes that Hibike! has!
Or maybe the shocking one is I, who wasn’t at all affected by the developments of this episode? Other than the ‘words’ everything was normal! Reina and Kumiko development is still on track and by that I mean the way they get closer by each episode and this one they did get closer, or did things that they would not have done previously. So really, I don’t see what the problem is! I will address the so called reasons for 90% of people, actually maybe make that 98% of people dropping this series because of this episode, when I get to it and with that said, let’s get things started, shall we…
This art though! And look at that
Hazuki discount Sayaka trying to pull Kumiko and Reina apart like she hasn’t done enough damage! Seriously, this girl is like public enemy No.1 to me and all that are still supporting this ship! I have a feeling that she will be the last on that character ranking poll, you just wait! Apparently she didn’t learn anything from the mistake Sapphire did with her emotions and now she is doing the exact same thing with Kumiko, well, that is if she gets the chance to do it! There is what, 2-3 episodes left? But this is not the point of this post…
First off, it is kind of un-related but I just wanted to talk about Natsuki-senpai! Okay, I dare anyone to come and tell me that after that flashback with Kumiko then Senpai showing up and asking to meet Kumiko that you did not think ‘Oh snap’! I was like…
Seriously I was awaiting the drama to hit sky high, especially adding in the fact that Reina too was surrounded by wolves ready to devour her whole and then I thought we would get the HAGU scene where the two comfort each other but it actually turned out that Natsuki-senpai was GOOD GIRL! To me she is better than Asuka-senpai, especially with the latest development with either of the Senpai. It turned out she just wanted to clear the misunderstanding that both Kumiko and us had in regards to her being chosen over Kumiko seeing as she is a year above Kumiko! Such a great girl that Kumiko, and I too, were reduced to tears! She is the best Senpai!
Someone wasn’t ready for the real HAGU ^^
Let’s talk about that first KumiRei scene when Reina storms off after giving the accusing girls a piece of her mind! The episodes before there is no way Kumiko would have ran off after Reina like that and especially calling out her name too like that! Best still she referred to her by her given name, in front of everyone! I think if we take Sapphire’s reaction at point, some were surprised by this intimacy the two seem to have! I am talking about Sapphire seemingly sighing out Kumiko’s name instead of Reina’s. I mean Reina and her and not that close but it was Reina who was the center of this ruckus and thus should be the one anyone worried should be worried about but Sapphire instead had her attention to Kumiko when she called out Reina by her name and ran after her!
It might seem trivial a thing but it is not, especially if they take every little thing seriously like they told us viewers to. Did Sapphire notice something? Will it be touched upon later in the coming episodes? I doubt it but I noticed it so it has to have significance. Maybe it is used to showcase the closeness of Reina and Kumiko and how now it is public knowledge that they are friends. Either way this is first of the indications of development in their relationship for this episode.
Kumiko keeps on calling Reina, Reina like they have been close since childhood! I seriously still can’t handle her calling Kousaka Reina instead of the contrary. But then after she catches up to Reina, Reina too calls her Kumiko, just Kumiko and I was so done! Also the simple fact that they don’t use titles (chan, san etc) and just say Reina or Kumiko just hits me right in the feels for some reason!
Speaking of Reina, am I the only one who finds her real (dark) personality very enticing? All the more so knowing that Kumiko is like this too! Seriously these two were made for each other! When Reina lost it right there shocking even Kumiko showed me even how closer these two have gotten. Reina is no longer hiding her real self in front of Kumiko and after this I think Kumiko too will stop trying to put on a mask when she is alone with Reina. I mean she has started to do that but if we take her surprise at Reina’s outburst it means she still hasn’t fully opened up.
Still on this very scene I have a question. At first I thought that Reina was referring to her situation with Mattaku-sensei when she asked Kumiko if she thought she was wrong! But they did not have ‘the talk’ until after this moment so what were they referring to? Was it about the way Reina had behaved and told her Senpai off before she had ran off from the club room?
Any way let’s talk about that hug though! After days of Kumiko fantasizing about HAGU-ing Reina, she finally gets one and is completely frozen. I guess she under-estimated the FEELs that come with that close a distance not to mention the body contact! Oh and how cute Reina was during the HAGU when she literally had to support herself on her toes to be in the position to HAGU Kumiko >.< Ah, how far these two have come!
Okay, let’s come down and think about this so called ‘confession’. Apparently just a simple fact of Reina telling Kumiko that she ‘loves’ Mattaku-sensei sent so many, if not all other shipper packing and I am there with my mouth hanging open going like…’Um excuse me?’
Okay, okay, let me side track here for a moment! This ship has the MC as part of it. The MC, if we go by the logic that is floating around which is that we judge this by the Novel counter-part (Even though they are totally different medium!!!!!), we already know that in the end
Usagi is gonna marry Mamoru and rule Future Tokyo Shoeone and Kumiko end up dating. Knowing this much, the shipping was sky high before this episode! So how in God’s name does Reina saying she ‘loves’ Mattaku –sensei change anything?! And it’s not like we did not know that already, thanks to novel logic, we already were aware of this but for some reason everyone lost their minds when it happened like, what?!
Okay, let’s talk about the concept of Reina and Mattaku-sensei in detail. From what I understood Mattaku is way in his late 30s, married and with kids! Let’s get that fact first out of the way first. Next, correct me if I am wrong but since I haven’t seen it mentioned I assume that Reina did not confess to Mattaku in person in the novels since no one is mentioning the outcome at all. In other words this love is going no where!
Actually forget about love, this is not ‘like -love’ as she was so keen on pointing out. And with that, I point you to the title of this post! Just think a little bit. In the current day and age, in your lives, which do you think is romantically stronger when referring to people ‘LIKE’ or ‘LOVE’? Let me give you an example. Do any of you ever tell your parents ‘I LIKE YOU MOM’ or something like that? NO! What we say is ‘I LOVE YOU DAD’! Why is that do you think? Think of this and then take into account Mattaku-sensei’s marital and age status and also the important detail of why Reina had to go through the trouble of making a distinction between her referring to ‘’love not in ‘LIKE’ but in ‘LOVE’ love!
And though it might seem like a low blow, the way that Reina delivered this confession should be considered. No matter how close one is to someone, confessing romantic feelings about someone should not be something so easily done and yet Reina said it like she was saying ‘You know, I watched this movie last night. I loved it!’ kind of emotion. Actually even then one would be giddy with excitement as they talk about this but Reina was like…talking!
She is telling a student that she like a teacher and she says it without a trace of emotion! Why? Be embarrassed a little bit. Be hesitant in revealing these emotions! And since she hasn’t told Mattaku-sensei about it yet means she knows of the implications of it, if they were romantic that is so why?!
Guess what got emotions out of her? Kumiko calling her cute! Like, Kumiko saying she is cute is more impactful than her emotions of ‘love’ towards Mattaku-sensei! What the hell even?! So really I do not understand what was so devastating about this episode that garnered such deep reactions? I on the other side think that it was even better than the last episode! Reina and Kumiko are still on track in their relationship development, hell, they hugged and Reina trusts Kumiko so greatly that she is telling her secrets now! that has to even be Reina’s deepest secret and she told Kumiko about it!
But we are forgetting another great thing about this episode…
SHOE-ONE IS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN!!!
Seriously, I think a lot of people are getting spoiled! I remember the year when we did not get half of the things Reina and Kumiko do in our ships! But now…Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying you need to keep watching this, obviously the decision is up to you all but I find the reasons to drop or not to kind of…Sure the novel says this and that but this is not the novel and from what I understand this happens much later on, times we won’t get to see, at least not this season so…
I just don’t understand this basis of future happenings. Or the Reina and Mattaku situation. I remember during Kanamiko when we knew nothing and Himeko went on a date with Souma and everyone was stomping on the yuri shippers. Then during Utena when Prince Bro came and messed up everything, then the Sailor Moon situation – So many shows with our girls having feelings for boys and yet we still love them so why the hate on this one? I don’t get it! I have more to say but there are still more episodes so I will save it for then. For now, that’s all.
June 14, 2015 at 21:03
I still think of this series as yuri because it just is… Let’s assume that the series plans to develop a relationship between Shuichi and Kumiko and wants to create drama because Reina’s in love with the teacher. Neither of these romantic routes have been developed in ANY way. That stuff is so ludicrously underdeveloped that I wonder why they even put it into this series to begin with. Like, we only know that Reina is in love with the teacher because of all the moments where she shouts about how great the teacher is and because of this scene in this episode where she just bluntly declares her love for the teacher (without a lot of enthusiasm). And the thing is, one could cut out all these moments and I don’t think you would notice the difference. What exactly does it mean for Reina to be in love with the teacher? Right now it seems more like her being in love with the teacher is as relevant her favorite color being purple (or something else…). With Shuichi, Hazuki and Kumiko you’d think the series has gotten itself a pretty standard love-triangle here but both Hazuki and Shuichi are barely present in the aftermath of the 8th episode and so the whole thing seems like it actually has hurt the relationship between Shuichi and Kumiko. They aren’t even friends anymore – and Kumiko couldn’t care less apparently.
This series can barely handle its dense plot and so a lot of character-stuff actually seems rushed and underdeveloped. Even this pseudo-romantic relationship between Reina and Kumiko is kinda weird, although they get a lot of screentime. I mean, the series started out with them being schoolmates who both played in the school-ensemble and shared an awkward moment and then Kumiko surprisingly met Reina again and tried to normalize their relationship. I’m still not really sure at what point the whole thing switched from “I just want a normal relationship, maybe even a friendship…” to whatever was happening in episode 08. Well, I guess you could read Kumiko’s interactions with Reina as her falling in love with Reina but why does Reina care so much suddenly? Where does Reina’s sudden understanding of Kumiko’s character come from…? Naturally you try to fill in the gaps as the audience and what you can put into those gaps certainly doesn’t hint at a typical friendship-plot.
June 14, 2015 at 21:55
Whatever the case is, the point is that they went out of their way to focus a lot on Kumiko and Reina than it should be otherwise. I have seen a lot of dramas and anime where a series about ‘friendship’ or rivalry shows the intensity of these feelings between the girls without giving off impressions of something more.
Princess Nine is the best example of this!
But even in those series that might have blurred the line a little, you knew (without looking at source material for spoilers) that the MC would not end up with the girl because the relationship with the eventual boy was developed to show you this.
Here in Hibike!, Have we even seen Reina and Mattaku-sensei interact at all? NO! They had an chance to show something during the auditions and they should have especially as Reina seems to have a major role in these auditions. They could have showed us something simple like Mattaku-sensei complimenting Reina and Reina blushing a little bit but we got nothing! Even the little glimpse of Reina we got in these auditions she looked just like any other girl would!
And don’t get me started on Shoe1 and Kumiko! I am still baffled by how they handled the events of and after the festival! All we got was Kumiko just thinking about how to face Shoe1, which is logical but not a sign of what she thought of him and Hazuki or even a little bit of depression even from knowing that she might have hurt Shoe1 but turning him down.
Instead what we got was a happy Kumiko who nolonger had difficulty with the part she had before the festival thanks to her practice (of a love song) with Reina up in the mountains at night all alone where Reina was touching her lips and stuff!
And in the latest episode? Kumiko didn’t even have a single thought of Shoe1 and neither did we even get those longing looks he always has for Kumiko, seriously if this is supposed to be the MC’s love partner excuse me while i fight the laughter!
They had options! There was nothing stopping them from making this a series about Kumiko and Shoe1’s ‘closeness’ and making Reina just another friend or even a rival friend but instead they did this!
Either way you look at it, if we get a Shoe1 ending this is gonna be pretty shitty!
June 17, 2015 at 07:42
I’ll be honest and say it does affect me, but then I re-think again I think that just me justifying being lazy and really in fever for play paradox game for the whole week (and finish Neptunia)…
The truth is, if I am being optimistic (and I am still cautiously optimistic), Reina scene won’t matter because how insignificant it is compared to Reina-Kumiko scene we have so far…
The only reason it affect me is unfortunately also due to how insignificant it is, makes me worried that they’ll just do a “oh BTW, the true pairing is on that direction”…
I want to be optimistic because beside this moment, everything is beautifully crafted so far, but I’ll admit there is doubt for me especially because I am afraid they’ll just throw away 9 episode of building up and all of introspective thought I have about how these two relationship grows is wrong (until I watch episode 11 and get a bit more boost to believe)…
Episode 10 probably is one with the least original we have so far (there is a website showing how ‘gay’ the novel also is after episode 8, that part that get posted is the hug in this episode, which I guess help me mitigate the effect to me), so you probably can compare between episode that has few original scene (this episode) with the one with the most original scene (episode 8)…
And I’ll admit, I don’t come here last week because I thought you’ll be like /u/ or my other clique (jump of the burning ship! mode) and don’t post, so when I come here after episode 11, I am glad you didn’t…
June 17, 2015 at 09:07
I don’t think it is the most original, people think that because it had that moment from the novel that everyone was dreading!
As for the het end, for me it doesn’t matter that much. Unless it is very extreme I am taking this anime to the archive. The KumiRei is just too strong to be dissed anymore. Forget about the following seasons or movie, I won’t be watching if they go the het route. This first season is yuri no matter how I slice it and it was so well crafted as you day.
To the bottom of the ocean with this one
June 17, 2015 at 11:19
Just want to make sure, by ‘original’ I mean ‘originally made by KyoAni and not there in the novel version’…
June 17, 2015 at 11:22
Oh, I thought you meant original novel content ^^
June 17, 2015 at 12:23
In this case the series actually has to commit to the Reina-Kumiko-pairing, I think. Kumiko has literally been ignoring Shuichi since the 8th episode. For a third of this series Kumiko hasn’t even acknowledged Shuichi’s presence. Also, Kumiko’s character has experienced some character-development that not only shows her acting differently since the 8th episode but the series also clearly names Reina as the primary influence for that change. The Kumiko from episode 01 certainly wouldn’t have suggested to Reina that she should do her best no matter the consequences, that Kumiko would’ve been in favor of Reina losing on purpose in order to avoid drama and trouble. The way this adaptation presents the Kumiko-Reina-relationship there isn’t any wiggle room to reach that Shuichi-ending from the novels.
June 17, 2015 at 13:14
Even if they put it in I wouldn’t be even mad at this rate because it would be the most superficial romance ever!
June 17, 2015 at 13:26
Well, you can always go the route of Shuichi landing in the hospital for some reason which leads to him guilting Kumiko into dating him. But it’s okay because then she suddenly has some flashbacks of all the good times the two shared and which she hadn’t thought about at all until now but are now super-important to her. You know, the kind of love based on manipulation and the premise that your kindergarten-days are the most important time in a person’s lovelife.
June 17, 2015 at 13:30
Not even that can save this romance at this moment in time. Maybe in the second season or movie but I won’t be watching
June 17, 2015 at 13:37
No, of course it can’t ^^ . It was more meant as a joke. It would be horrible if the series were to actually do that in a second season! First the whole guilt-driven manipulation and then retconning a romance with the help of flashbacks that were never mentioned before! I just thought that I would get mad if the series would do something that hamfisted just to explain why Kumiko would date Shuichi.
June 17, 2015 at 13:48
Get you now. Whatever maybe from now on, this season is KumiRei. I really can’t wait to get home so I can post about episode 11!
June 17, 2015 at 07:57
People hate on hibike ’cause they think it’s gonna follow the 3rd novel’s final outcome in which Kumiko ends up dating shuuchi no idea about the 4th one tho. if there even is one.
June 17, 2015 at 08:52
I thought that happened in the final vol, which is the 4th?
Anyway, welcome and thank you for commenting JUYSIV, I have no idea why others persist in comparing the novel with the anime. Worse, it’s about much future events not what is happening right now. What will they be talking about when and if they animated the final vol?
I for one chose to take the anime as an entity of its own. Not going to let what will be destroy the fun. Hibike!
June 17, 2015 at 11:29
From searching around, the final volume is volume 3, with the 4th is collection of short story…
At the end of volume 3, Shuichi confess to Kumiko but there is no confirmation whether Kumiko accept him or not, though she does have a hairpin, which also ambiguous from whom does Kumiko get it from…
The final story in the 4th volume return to the confession scene and followed by Kumiko’s acceptance of Shuichi…
As I gather, I think the fact that the novel don’t have much Shuichi-Kumiko moment (thought more than anime and enough to give possibility of them being together) and that Kumiko’s feeling on Shuichi only clearly described in the final page (literally the last page) of the final volume gives birth to rumor that Kumiko’s acceptance of Shuichi is part of editor pressure to the writer…
But, as the anime has even less Kumiko-Shuichi moment and only adapt volume 1 (plus all those beautiful anime-only scene), I doubt we’ll get the same conclusion the novels did (at least not in this season)…